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Reflections on Lisbon
Filed Under Polemics & Politics on June 13, 2008 at 11:51 pm
For those of you not up on European affairs, the Irish people voted yesterday not to ratify the European Reform Treaty, commonly known as the Lisbon Treaty. Since all EU nations have to ratify EU treaties for them to come into effect this is a big deal. 27 countries worked for eight years to get to this point and Ireland just rejected all their hard work and pain-staking negotiation. On reflection I should have realised that this referendum was always destined to fail in Ireland given our current state of affairs. Two simple facts doomed the treaty.
- It’s a long and complex document which is not designed to be read by un-qualified people. It’s an international treaty between 27 nation states that amends and compliments a handful of other treaties. Stuff like that gets complicated.
- The Irish people have no faith in their government or major political parties
The first point means that people have to form their opinions based on the advice of others. If they had faith in their government they would believe the government when they laid out the pros and cons. But the Irish people are very suspicious of their government and indeed all their major political parties. This made it easy for the No campaign to spread Fear Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD) by the lorry-load, which they did. In a situation like this a no vote is the expected outcome. “If you don’t know, vote no”.
[tags]Lisbon, Ireland, EU, Reform Treaty, NO![/tags]
Should this ever have come to a referendum? I don’t believe it should. The idea that lay people should have to educate themselves on the intricate details of complex international treaties flies in the face of the very concept of representative democracy. We elect competent people to figure out all this complicated stuff on our behalf, in our interest, and representing our wishes. This is very similar to how we employ solicitors, lawyers, barristers, attorneys, architects, you name it. As long as our solicitor is competent, able, honest and hard-working we have no problems trusting him or her. We give them power to act on our behalf and we trust them to do right by us. That’s exactly how a democracy like Ireland’s should work. The problem is it doesn’t, because the politicians in all the major parties have lost the respect and trust of the people. We no longer trust them to do right by us, hence we don’t believe them when they correct blatant mistakes and inaccuracies spread by others.
What annoys me the most about this referendum is how badly it was run, and how many people voted based on fantasies rather than reality. When you see voters interviewed some of the reasons they give for their votes are just farcical. “I’m voting no to prevent conscription”, “I’m voting no to prevent abortion”, “I’m voting no to prevent tax harmonisation”, “I’m voting no to keep our commissioner”. These would all be valid statements IF the treaty actually affected any of these things. Lisbon does not give the EU the right to impose conscription on Ireland. Lisbon does not in any way affect our opt-out on abortion. Lisbon explicitly gives us a veto on matters of taxation. We already gave up our permanent commissioner in the Nice treaty. Voting No on Lisbon does not change that at all. There were many valid arguments against the treaty, but those didn’t get a look in because people like Libertas insisted on spreading FUD about these emotive issues instead.
The yes camp were hardly much better. Our prime minister admitted he hadn’t even bothered to read the document, and the campaign he led was a disaster. The No side set the agenda and had the Yes campaign on the back foot all the way. We had ministers trying to bully us into a yes vote by predicting doom and gloom is we dared vote no, and by insisting that only Sinn Fein supporters would ever vote yes. The Irish people respond REALLY badly to “vote yes because we say so”, and that’s what we got from government ministers and other major parties. They just assumed the people would do what they told them. How they could have been so arrogant and stupid after what happened during the first Nice referendum we’ll never know.
The supposed independent experts also put up a really poor show. They simply couldn’t live down the embarrassment of not being able to answer important questions about the treaty in a press conference they had called to help clarify the issues! From all sides we were bombarded by a litany of arrogance, deceit, misinformation, and incompetence. the whole thing was a joke and I hope Brian Cowan gets a few strips torn off him when he goes to Europe, cap-in-hand, to explain the failure of Ireland to adopt a treaty that the Irish government were instrumental in drawing up.
So what now? Where do we go from here? This is a democratic nation and the people have spoken. I’m disturbed by the level of ignorance on the realities of the topic of so many voters, but that doesn’t change the fact that the people have spoken. The government must respect that, and must go forward knowing that we have said no to Lisbon. The EU also need to respect our vote and not try to force us to vote on the same treaty again.
Lisbon is dead. Europe will have to go forward under the provisions provided by Nice for the next few years at least. I really hope this acts as a wake-up call to the powers-that-be in Europe. It doesn’t make sense to group so many changes into a single treaty. It just takes one issue to trigger a no vote. The more things you lump into your treaty the more no votes you pick up. Baby steps are the key. Europe needs to reform itself one step at a time. We need to bring in small changes one-by-one rather than trying to construct monsters like the Lisbon treaty. Had there been no military element to this treaty, and had the wording on article 48 been clearer, there is every chance that Ireland would have passed the treaty. There was a lot of very good and positive reform in it, but the big emotive issue of a militarised Europe stuck in many Irish people’s craw so they threw all of the changes out because of a strong objection to just a few.
It will be very interesting to see how Europe responds to this slap in the face by the Irish. There are interesting times ahead for the European project!
Nice to read a bit of reasoned comment amongst all the hysteria.
I think it’s not just Europe that needs to reform its ways, we too in Ireland need to address our own democratic deficit and reform how we govern ourselves and how we interact with external entities.
As you said, the use of a single referendum to deal with something as complex as this type of treaty is utter madness. But, even if we could get the EU to spoon feed changes, there will always be the likes of the WTO, UN resolutions, Good Friday agreements, all made up of multiple compromises and complex legalities, wrapped in a single bundle. The only effective way to manage such complexities is through representative democracy (or benevolent dictatorship, but I think we’ll leave that to the Chinese).
This idea that there is some form of “pure” democracy is a nonsense. If Europe were to offer the “more” democratic route of allowing all European citizen to vote, then voting as single block of 400 million citizens would be closer to that “pure” democracy. And yes, if that had happened, Lisbon would not pass, but in that scenario, it would not be Lisbon that would presented for ratification, but a treaty designed to appeal to a majority of voters (not countries). If you want an example of this today, look at the Eurovision, majority tastes would be unlikely to be those of Ireland.
We need to find a way to ensure that those we elect, we also trust (with the power to sanction those who abuse that trust, I’m think corruption, conflic of interest etc.);and having done that, allow them to govern in the best interests of the country at large and not have to constantly respond to sectional interests, be they builders, farmers, trade unions or save-the-local-hospitallers.
We need to be able to elect legislators not nudge-nudge wink-wink i’ll-get-you-that-just-tell-me-what-you-want types. That’s what county councillors are for.
Tom
Hello Ireland …
… here is Italy
Thanks to the geat irish folk who said NO to this treaty.
We Europeans out of Ireland we haven’t the right to vote.
We haven’t any chance to say our opinion about this treaty.
THANKS TO THE IRISH PEOPLE FOR THIS NO !
European Union is slowly becoming the Soviet Union with his central KREMLIN (Bruxelles) government.
Irish people gave us a sign of Hope and Freedom.
GREAT THANKS FOR THIS NO TO THE LISBON TREATY FROM FROM THE ITALIAN FOLK.
I think you are projecting your aggression a little too far a-field. The EU works at a governmental level. The EU works off the assumption that each government is representing the people of it’s country. If the Italian government are miss-representing the Italian people then the problem is in Italy, not Brussels!
Hey there,
this is a complicated matter indeed. To start of, it’s quite ridiculous to even attempt to expect anyone to read a 300 page long treaty. I doubt anybody not involved in the creation did ever read it top to bottom. Bad tongues could now say that they never intended anyone to read it… but let’s stay on the facts.
I assume that the reflections from the Italian Posters have at least some point: The EU trying to smuggle in the treaty past people. If I remember correctly, the french rejected this treaty before it was reworked and I find it plainly interesting that the french don’t get any chance to vote again. Back then it was still called the european constitution …
We definitely are not talking about peanuts here, if I understand it right, then the lisabon treaty will de-facto glue the states inside the european union together like it wasn’t ever before… I find it quite disturbing that in some countries (including mine) there isn’t even a survey amongst the people to determine whether there is even remote support… but then that’s the problem of country in question.
In any way, I have to agree that going tiny steps would definitely been received better amongst the population of all countries and probably would have led to ireland voting yes… but this ‘stealth’ tactics the EU and the governments are using.. really makes you think.
I don’t think it’s fair to say that the French rejected this treaty. They rejected an EU constitution which was actually quite a readable document. Unlike the Lisbon Treaty the Constitution was a self-contained document. Lisbon is more of a list of amendments to existing treaties which makes it FAR harder to read.
he EU states are already glued together under the Treaty of Rome, the Treaty of Maastricht, and the Treaty of Nice (and probably more). Lisbon was just the next treaty in a long list of treaties.
I find it strange that everyone sees Europe as “them”. It isn’t, it’s us! The EU is driven by the council of ministers which is all our national leaders. The EU is us. The problem is that in many countries the people feel that their government which they elected doesn’t represent them. When that happens then they also don’t feel the EU represents them because it’s the same governments! The way I see it the EU’s problem is a local one, and it’s the same problem that makes governments afraid of referenda, they know the people don’t trust them!
Bart.
Hmm, you are probably right on that one. I’ve already stated that most of this problems are created locally. And yes, it seems to be common that people do not feel that they are being represented by their government… => another problem.
As for the french, I should really proof-read my comments a bit more, I didn’t want to express what came out… I am aware that the constitution and the treaty of lisbon are different ones… but if I remember correctly the lisbon treaty is set to push into service the same set of rules… and is, according to the limited research I’ve done, treated as the successor of the consitution bill. Hence my mistake with saying the french rejected “this” treaty. Sorry for that.
The constitution itself was a lot more readable then that 300 page treaty we’re now facing. I find it generally a bit disturbing that it’s so tight-packed that no amateur can ever figure out what’s written inside… many of ministers and members of parliament seem not to know that either…
Yeah, the EU is us, that’s true. I do not really refer to the EU as them, even though it feels like they are something you don’t really have immidiate contact with, especially as you do not hear much about anything in the EU here in germany unless you try real hard.
What’s really ironic is that Lisbon would have made the EU even more “us”. It would have given more direct power to our governments, more power to the European Parliament which we directly elect and allowed for citizens to submit motions if they collect enough signatures. Life’s funny sometimes!
Bart.
Okay, this information is new to me. But then I find it really hard to even pinpoint any information from that treaty. Every party does just extract the bits they need to pull the crowd on their side… Maybe one should really bother with reading it completely. On the other hand it’s history now anyway….
I just hope they don’t go amok like some people suggest and block ireland from the EU… that would be really bad.