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Hosting365 – I Think I’ve Finally Had Enough
Filed Under Computers & Tech on June 15, 2007 at 9:16 pm
Another day and another Hosting365 disaster. You can read the ongoing saga on their outages blog. No one can deny that Hosting365 are expensive. You pay above the odds for them but previously my rational for doing so was:
- They are local – so fast from within Ireland
- They are local – so tech support during MY business hours not American business hours
- Good customer care
- It’s nice to support Irish companies
However, there is only so long that you can put up with ever poorer customer support and a sub-standard service before you start loosing customers and your hair! I am now actively looking for a new hosting provider.
[tags]Web Hosting, Hosting365[/tags]
The Problems With Hosting365
The thing that has been infuriating me most has been the downward spiral in their customer service. At this stage I can’t remember the last time I actually got a response that was BOTH prompt AND helpful. They have also taken to closing calls before the issue is actually resolved which really pisses me off because then you have to start over again and you loose the history in the call. I’ve spoken to their sales manager who agreed that the service I was getting was not good enough and promised something would be done about it. I don’t know what, if anything, was tried to solve the problem but it’s not working!
Only last week my logs showed that a MAC address that was not physically on my server has taken one of my IP address. This may be a simple case of a miss-configuration but it could also be a symptom of a man-in-the-middle attack using something like ARP Poison Routing. In other words, a serious security concern. Needless to say I wanted to get to the bottom of it. I sent a copy of my logs to support and got back a bogus non-answer. So I sent another reply pointing out exactly why the previous answer was wrong and asking detailed questions about the MAC address that had taken my IP, and inquiring about what protections they have in place to detect ARP based attacks in general. I never got a reply because the call had been closed immediately after the bogus non-answer had been sent. I rang up and asked the call to be re-opened. The nice girl on the phone said she would but it’s been about a week now and still no reply to my questions.
Then there have been a series of fiascos with domain registrations and transfers. The problems have been going on for at least a year now (since a new system was introduced). I’ve raised it with high ranking people a few times now and they all agree it needs to be fixed and assure me a solution is being worked on but nothing changes. In the last two months I think almost every domain I’ve tried to transfer or register has had problems. In one case it took about a month to sort out a simple transfer. Again, calls were constantly closed before the problem was actually solved and I kept on having to start from square one with each new support person.
Then there is is the ridiculous bandwidth limits on their reseller packages. The bandwidth on all their regular shared hosting packages have steadily gone up over the years but the reseller packages have stayed the same. I have a limit of 45GB of total traffic per-month on my 75 control panel account, I mean, really, you get more on their Business shared hosting plan that costs less than €20 a month! If you need 50 for one control panel exactly how am I supposed to get by with 45 for 75 control panels?
Then, finally you have too many serious outages like today’s. Hosting365 claim to provide world class hosting. I’m sorry, but this is not world class. That’s two very serious incidents in less than a year now!
What I Want From a Hosting Company
Of course I want the basics, good packages with acceptable bandwidth at a fair price. But I also want more, I want access to real-time customer support. Ideally I’d like to be able to pick up the phone and dial an Irish number and get to talk to someone who is competent and helpful who can fix my problems. Failing that 24 hour instant messaging support would do too. If my hosting has to be outside Ireland it’s vital that I can get customer support during Irish business hours, not in the middle of the night to suit some other country’s office hours! Ideally I’d like to support an Irish company but I haven’t found any decent ones yet.
If anyone has direct experience of any hosting companies they would be happy to recommend that could meet my needs I’d love to hear from you!
Its a shame that you’ve had a bad experience with H365. Politics.ie has been with them for a number of years and I’ve never had any problems with them. They have always been extremely helpful, very fast to respond and always get the problem sorted. The power outage yesterday is a minor glitch, your not paying for five 9s after all.
Personally when theres a problem I’ve always found that within a short amount of time I’ll be talking to a tech who is in front of the console of the server sorting stuff out.
They handled a complete migration from an old P4 to a new Xeon (including upgrading OS, and all software) with the minimum amount of downtime and it went off without any hitches.
We got r00ted, and they did a complete reinstall for us, again with a minimium amount of downtime, and got everything setup and configured for us. I even got a call a few weeks later asking was it ok to delete the data on the old r00ted harddrive!
As for domains, I have about 20 domains with them, and never experienced a single problem with them (all problems were my fault).
They are an excellent hosting company and I would highly recommend them to everyone.
A year ago I’d have said the exact same thing Andrew. But I’ve had one bad experience after another with them for the last 6 months at least. I do have to say I’ve only had one problem with them with regard to the dedicated servers I have with them, it’s mainly domain issues and a few too many outages on the shared hosting services.
That and ever less helpful customer support. The worst I had was when I sent an email to support complaining that a domain I had registered had not shown up on DNS after a week and that it appeared that the registration had failed. I got an email back which simply said that yes, the registration had failed. The tech then closed the call! I was speechless! I had started opening a new ticket when I decided I wanted to talk to someone about this and to my delight the guy on sales actually put me through to the sales manager. He agreed this should not have happened and promised to do something about poor customer service but TBH not much has changed. I’ve ended up on the phone asking to speak to senior people a few more times since in order to get stuff done. The support people promise stuff, then fail to deliver and close the call!
I’m too busy to have to chase up every single call two or three or in one case over ten times. I shouldn’t have to do that. I should open a call, it should get fixed and that should be that. But that’s not what my experiences have been of late.
Bart,
I’ve addressed a lot of your comments on a number of posts and comments over the last two days, so I am only going to say here what has not been specifically said already.
1. There has not been a downward spiral in customer service. I am actually aware of the very poor experience you had with the domain renewal failure, but I assure that was localised. Our support problems were 9 months to a year ago, not in the past 6 months. I will happily take you through out ticketing system and DEMONSTRATE the marked change in customer satisfaction during 2007. This is a tangible fact. Although I do apologise and accept that you personally had a poor experience.
2. You should check the reseller plan updates – your plan has 150gb monthly transfer. You need to manually upgrade this in your control panel however, which is a limitation of our system. http://www.hosting365.com/reseller-plans.php has more info.
3. We’ve had 2 outages in 12 months. It is unacceptable, I agree. We are the only hosting company in Ireland with our own infrastructure, we have more than tripled our support staff in the last 12 months also, and I think the comments you make above are an overreaction. We had a crisis yesterday that was totally unforeseen, I am proud to have come through it with such an excellent team of people that raised their game to a level I didn’t believe possible, individually and as a team.
4. On shared hosting our pricing is market leading, we are not expensive. Our dedicated servers are also at market-rates, and are ALL high-end HP or DELL boxes.
Hi Ed,
Thanks for the reply here. I agree that your dedicated servers are very good, I haver three and have had no real problems at all in, I believe, 4 years.
I’m glad to see the reseller plans upgraded. That actually makes a very big difference to me. Unfortunately the link you gave above for instructions gives me a 404. If I don’t figure it out myself I’ll give support a ring π
Finally, I disagree that your support problems are all in the past. I agree that were there only to have been the one incident I described above that I’d be over-reacting. However, only last week I had another very unsatisfactory reply to a potentially serious security concern. The call was closed before it was resolved and when I rang to ask for it to be re-opened to get my questions and concerns actually addressed I was told that would happen, it has not. Your support staff are far too quick at closing calls. I’ve had to ring to re-open them too often.
I will definitely be keeping my dedicated servers with Hosting365. I will also keep my .ie domains with Hosting365 but be slowly moving away my other domains. I will also keep my reseller account for now. Like I said I do like to support Irish companies and one thing I can say about Hosting365 is that senior people make themselves available to talk to customers. That is definitely something you wouldn’t get with GoDaddy or the like.
I just hope you will take my concerns about customer support on board. Please ensure that everything that is promised by your people actually happens and that calls are not closed prematurely. I don’t really know what else I can say to make it plain that the incident I spoke to you about is not my only issue.
No one single incident that has happened with regard to Hosting365 has ever been bad enough to make it reasonable to leave over it (and I can’t say that about my previous hosting company who lost everything on me). But the amount of stress your domain name system has put me through is really starting to add up to the point that major incidents like yesterday’s start to look awfully like final straws. Perhaps when I have my domains elsewhere and I only ever have to talk to you about hosting issues I’ll start to see things like Andrew does in his above comment. When I think about it 90% of the times I have any contact with support it’s about domains not transferring or not registering and much more annoyingly than that, failing silently so I have to spend time and effort constantly checking and re-checking if a transfer has actually worked. I know you are working on a new in-house system but really, I can’t wait anymore!
OK … that turned into a long reply … hope you’re still reading Ed! You have a good company, just please accept that I do have some legitimate points which if addressed would result in Hosting365 being a great company!
Hi Bart,
Just a note that we’ve a new domain management system (in fact, a new business management system) that’s been in build with our R&D team now for over a year. We’re just about to go live with it and we believe strongly that it will resolve many of the domain management issues our customers and our staff have faced – we’re also about to announce significant price changes in the same area.
I’d love to meet up with you personally and take you through the beta system and perhaps get your feedback on how we can grow to indeed become a ‘great’ company.
Really appreciate your feedback – and your frustration – and I hope we can learn and improve,
Thanks Stephen, I think I’ll take you up on that offer (email sent).
Bart.
That’s definitely not an offer you’d get from GoDaddy etc. , or plenty of other similarly-sized companies.
I was thinking the exact same thing Neil. It says a lot about a company when two of their senior executives could be bothered to take the time and effort to respond to a customer on their blog and to invite a customer in to talk to them. When you do business with someone nothing annoys you like being ignored when you’re not happy (why I have such issues with the likes of Eircom), and conversely, nothing makes you feel good about doing business with someone like being listened to!
Hi Bart,
Thanks for responding to my comment! I guess I’m a little sensitive of our support staff because we’ve put so much time into growing and training new teams – but of course I know there’s still a lot of room for improvement. I will definitely bring up the issue of closing calls when resolution is not complete. Although I might leave it a couple of days since everyone did trojan work on Friday!
On the domain name issue – I couldn’t agree more. It brings my to tears of frustration that our existing systems are so bad. Lots legacy and organic-fast-growth reasons why they got into this state, but as Stephen states above, we’re on the cusp of launching a bespoke domain management module – which is really cool !! I’ll be there with Stephen hopefully when you come in … we love showing off the good stuff π
Cheers, Ed.
I predicted this post. While it does seem like h365 have some problems, they do still have a lot of things going from them. If you go for an american based host, the support is never going to be as good, being in a different timezone etc, and it always lacks the personal touch.
A few of us have a dedicated box with ev1servers, as you know. One of the first issues I found was that their dns could not keep up with the requests we were making for vhosts. We sorted this with a hosts file, but I found it pretty terrible that such a basic service was lacking.
Its impressive how senior staff are responding to your concerns on this blog. You aren’t going to get that anywhere else. looks like you should stick with h365 π
Bart,
Mikado will be changing over to another hosting service from H365 after 4 years though it’s more to do getting a better dedicated server package than their downtime or poor customer support. As you mention they’ve not really had any major problems with their dedicated hosting services apart from them 2 catastrophes which Ed already admits shouldn’t have happened.
So far I’ve have 2 other domains with them and havn’t needed to use their support services but I’ll certainly keep my eye on these H365 related blogs to see if when something does go bad I’m likely to get thrown onto the long finger
Hi Danny,
We’re always happy to support communities and groups without much cash :)Why not drop me a mail and I’m sure we can do something that will mean you wont have to move π
Stephen
[…] Hosting365 – I Think I’ve Finally Had Enough […]
A more cynical person might judge that the directors are attempting to mitigate the potential damage all this adverse publicity is doing to the reputation of their company – blogs rate highly on search engines.
You may wish to read the following article on Steven McCarron – hosting365.ie in order to get a better idea of the type of character he is and what he represents
http://www.eoincostello.ie/stephen_mccarron_phoenix_article.html
Dave
IΓ’β¬β’m at the end of my tether with H365….
My beef is with their shared mysql hosting at the moment. Their sql3.rack365.com frequently experiences timeouts and no connectivity, bringing all our sites down.
Rather than move the DB server I think its time to move host, I invest too much time typing emails stating with: “Sorry your site is down”
It was interesting to see Justin’s comments on the shared hosting MySQL situation. I have had similar issues with both http://www.realbeers.ie and http://www.thecatandthemoon.com.
Both sites suddenly began experiencing connection problems at the same time over 2 years ago and I have been trying to get H365 to help resolve the issue ever since.
I can totally empathise with the frustration of having one’s tickets prematurely closed. They first denied any issues and then called my coding into question with clients though I quickly put a stop to that demonstrating that I was not leaving connections open as they claimed.
During the recent bad publicity over their withdrawl of free phone support for their shared hosting customers I finally managed to get them to meaningfully engage on the issue with Realbeers as they migrated the site to another windows server with a different version of the myodbc driver. It should be noted that it took several posts to the Enterprise Ireland mailing list and a petition at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/h365/ to get their attention (they censored this petition from their own blog subsquently).
‘Lost connection to server’ errors have been since replaced with ‘server has gone away’ errors – wonderful and there has been no follow-up from Hosting365.
Hi Joe,
I have to say I have not been impressed since the end of phone support. Nothing short of a disaster for me. Two weeks now that I’ve been trying to get hold of accounts. I want to pay them money but they don’t seem to want it!
Bart.
Hi Guys,
As long and loyal hosting 365 customer I can honestly say that hosting 365 is now a disaster.I have just come off the phone after chasing a critical call that has been open for 2 days now with no updates from H365. I called the permium rate number after getting no where with the on line chat only to be answerd by the same guy I was chatting with.When I asked how many engineers were working I was told NONE only him answering the phone.We have about 20 clients with H365 and I can honsely say that I feel we have no option but to start moving them away. I hate saying this as I am in business myself but this was a very bad move by H365 and feel this could be the begining of the end. My advice to cistomers has always been , if you can call your hosting company move away.
This is 3 major problems I have had lately and with all of the the support has been a disaster..
H365 sort out you house…
Joe
Hi Joe,
Things really have gone down hill since H365/R365 ended phone support. So far I have yet to actually get to talk to anyone on chat. It took me WEEKS to get them to fix a problem so I could pay them! This was on a dedicated server so I could still phone them in theory, sod all help since the NOC people couldn’t deal with billing and didn’t seem to be able to put me through to accounts. Answers to support emails are taking weeks in some cases and when the answers come they are to questions I didn’t even ask! Naturally my real question goes un-answered. Judging by the state of the English in the reply the problem is they had no idea what I even asked. I’m not by any means racist but for an Irish company to have tech support agents with poor English is not good enough.
TBH the only reason I have gotten anywhere of late with H365 is because I have been direct-messaging Stephen McCarron on Twitter out of desperation.
Stephen has admitted things are a mess ATM and assured me that things will be fixed soon. They’d better be or I’m off else-where too. I want to be able to talk to a human being over the phone, it’s the only efficient way to get anything done.
Bart.
Hi Bart,
Stephen has a very good reputation around the business and that is why people like myself have stayed so loyal but now it effecting my business.I recently moved a client over from Eircom and it has potentialy lost me that client and if I do manage to hold on to the clinet I have offered to pay for the move over to black night myself.I don’t think it is enough to talk about sorting it out, if my business was on the line as I honestly think H365 is I would be answering the calls myself..I hope Black Night are watching this move by H365 and take note this is not the way to do business..On a final note as I am writing this I am trying to get the same ( Critical Level ) call resolved ,I have gone to chat again and got the same guy that was answering the calls yesterday..I have had enough of these clowns…
Joe
Hi Guys,
Can you please email me directly with any tickets that are outstanding or you feel are not getting due attention and I will personally intervene for you.
Generally, the feedback on our support teams is excellent – http://stephenmccarron.ie/2008/03/14/great-customer-feedback/ – as an example.
Hi All,
Just for the record H365 did get back to me later that Friday. Stephen I don’t have your email address but I think if you are generaly getting good feedback from your clients you are not getting a true picture of what is going on. As an exercise I would suggest logging a call from another company and seeing what sort of response you get. I can set it up if you like..
Hi,
Im currently having a nightmare with Hosting365 and there antics they call customer service. Can I ask how you ended your contract with them?
Hi Reggie,
I did actually stick with Hosting365 in the end. I’m not sure how wise that was, but the simple reality is that it was less hassle to stay. If things continue as they are of late then that will change and I’ll be switching over to a more reliable host like GoDaddy.com.
The way I’ve been gettings things done lately is by direct messaging Stephen McCarron on Twitter, not exactly the ideal solution.
Best of luck with them!
Bart.
Since the take over, I think more and more problems are occuring. I have more support tickets open this quater than the past 2 years.
Tonite I can’t access my Hosting Panel, so I can’t create the DB and upload one of my website’s.
Ticket is “OPEN” guess it will be tomorrow before I hear from them, if I am lucky.
I feel your pain Gazza, thought I think you’re referring to the half that became Register365/NamesCo rather than the bit that kept the Hosting365 name. I have services from both and I have to say I think the Hosting365 bit has improved with the split. Now that they only deal with customers with dedicated hosting they only have customers with big products who need good support.
I’ve actually stopped mailing queries in to the Register365 bit and started phoning them again. On the phone their support is excellent and all my issues have been very promptly and efficiently dealt with.
Good luck!
Bart.
Seems they are down again. No sites accessible, no email – everything is down. Another fire?
Well, this is the official line from Register365 AKA NamesCO:
“There appears to be an issue with an upstream provider to Register 365 causing all hosts to appear to be offline. We are working with our provider to remedy this issue as quickly as possible.”
Thankfully it’s back now. Also, as people can probably tell by the fact that this blog didn’t go down, it’s not with Hosting365 anymore π
Bart.
This really is becoming unbearable. Hosting 365 servers (our websites) have been going offline with monotonous regularity of late and to be quite frank, I’m getting sick of it.
The situation would be almost bearable if their own website remained online during these outages with info as to when we could expect to see service resumed or indeed, if we were able to get through to anyone who had a clue as to what the problem actually was but if I ever do manage to get through to someone on the phone, which appears to be impossible diring an outage, it seems i’m just being fobbed off with the usual canned “our engineers are aware of the problem and are working to fix it”
The frequency and length of the recent outages is completely unacceptable… how on earth they can declare to have anything that remotely amounts to redundancy is beyond me.
Hi James,
Hosting365 maintain a status site here: http://www.hosting365status.com
Otherwise, you might be referring to Register365.com – which is part of http://www.names.co.uk and not connected with hosting365
Well in a few words.
Welcome to Ireland. the island.
I have been here 11 ELVEN YEARS and can remember a better standard of services while living in London MORE THEN 11 years ago.
time to move you might say.
But the boats are getting fuller and fuller.
The only way to make money in Ireland is to be
A) Politician (can’t remember
B) Builder (A and B where FRIENDS)
now own holiday homes in the bahamas next to each other
C) A xbanker
D) A drugdealer
E) A Foreign business taking advantage of the coroprate low tax rate
F) NOT YOU
E) NOT ME
G) Oh and hosting 365 and other companies like them
Bart, talk to LetsHost. Quality hosting is assured. Everyone has problems and little things that go wrong but when you ring Letshost (on their Dublin number) you are talking to the person (in Ireland) who is physically fixing the problem for you. I have been using them for over 2 years and am constantly registering and transferring domains to them at renewal time. I can’t recommend them enough. Adrian