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My Quest for a New Personal Finance App – Part 1
Filed Under Computers & Tech on February 13, 2010 at 6:59 pm
I have a feeling this is going to be a topic that occupies me for a while. I really want to make the right choice on this one, because firstly, all the options cost money, and secondly, you don’t want to keep swapping finance apps, you lose your historical data that way. So, in this first post I’m going to explain why I’m in the market for a new app, and what apps have come up in my initial trawl of options, and which ones I like enough to look at in great detail.
So firstly, why am I ditching my current app? Actually, lets back track, what IS my current app? I’ve been a Cha-Ching 1 user, and to be honest, I’ve been happy. However, this week I had an experience that so put me off the company I’m not comfortable sticking with their product.
This week I finally moved my 4 year old MacBook Pro to OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard because I was completely out of disk space yet again, so a nuke and pave was needed anyway, and I liked the idea of Snow Leopard’s small footprint on disk. The install of Snow Leopard was problem free, and I soon started re-loading all my apps. When I do this I like to re-download from the website so I’m sure I have the very latest version. So, as I did with all my other apps, I went to the Cha-Ching website. They were pushing the Beta 2 version hard, and I mean hard, to the point that it was the only version I could see. I figured, if they’re pushing it to the fore like this, it must be ready for prime-time, and it must be the version they’re recommending people download. If not, why make it so in-your-face, and why hide the old version so well? As you can probably guess, this was a mistake.
I can’t remember the last time I used such a buggy piece of junk. It’s not that it crashed, it’s that it didn’t work right. My very initial impression was already bad. They changed the UI, and managed to make it significantly worse. The sidebar no longer allows quick jumping from account to account. In the past all your accounts were in the side bar, so you could hop around quickly and easily. In the new version the individual accounts are not listed in the sidebar, there’s just a single button for all your accounts, which puts up a screen with a list of accounts in the main pane, and you have to then click on that to get into an account. It has literally become twice as hard to move from account to account, and that’s something I do a lot.
That initial GUI shock put me in a bad mood, but I struggled on and went to add in some transactions. That’s when I noticed something was really seriously wrong. My balances were different than before the move to 2.0. The act of upgrading my library had changed my balances. This meant that either transactions were lost, changed, added, or miscalculated. All very bad things. As it happens the opening balance was duplicated, but that took a bit of detective work to figure out.
In the process of find the duplicate opening balance I noticed the next disaster, my transactions were randomly ordered. Transactions from all the different months and years were all jumbled up. A complete mess. I was not able to find where I’d left off entering stuff. At that point it was clear that this thing was not usable, so I went to look for the support details which I remembered were in the help menu on the old version. That’s when I saw the the most glaring error yet, there were TWO help menus! The QA on this thing was so pathetic that no one even noticed the menus were messed up!
So, we have a company that clearly has a badly broken QA department that is pushing unusable code on people. I sent them a letter outlining my concerns. It was hard-hitting but polite, and asked the fundamental question, how can I entrust my financial management and planning to a company that would let a turkey like this out the door? That was about 48 hours ago, no reply yet. In the mean time, I have sent questions to developers of other apps I’m considering and have already gotten replies. So, people I have no relationship with and have paid no money to at all, are treating me better than a company I have paid money to, and have an on-going relationship with in that I’ve been a customer of for a year, and would likely have remained one for many more had they not messed up so royally.
That a beta can be buggy is not shocking, but that a company would push such a crappy beta on their customers who they know use it to manage their finances is just not acceptable to me. If it were a game or something I’d grumble, download the old version, and then shrug it off. But I can’t do that for a mission-critical app like this. We have a recession on, money is tight, and I need to be able to manage it with confidence.
So, having vented quite a bit on Twitter (apologies to my followers, I did get a tad irate for a while), I then turned to Twitter for help and asked for suggestions. As always, Twitter obliged. I got a list of nice alternative to investigate. Here’s the best of them:
- MoneyWell – this looks like a fabulous budgeting app, but it’s not what I’m looking for. It has a really defined philosophy, and it just doesn’t match mine. I’d be fighting this app all the way, and I’d just end up hating it. Don’t let me put you off it though, this looks like a great Mac app, and like it’s really well thought out. They have some great videos on their site that explain their thinking really well, and it could well be exactly what you’re looking for.
- Moneydance – this is a cross-platform app, and like most such apps, it’s Faux-cocoa, which is always a turn off for me. It’s not an in-surmountable turnoff, I am a FireFox user afterall, but it’s definitely always a black mark against an app for me. However, it fits desires very well. It’s accounts-based, it lets me easily enter transactions, it has support for both a name and a note for each transaction, it has categories, and it has good transaction support. At $40 it’s about average price-wise, so a viable option that I’m actively investigating.
- Squirrel – this is the app that reminds me most of the simplicity of Cha-Ching 1, which is what attracted me to Cha-Ching in the first place. It’s not high on fancy features, but that doesn’t bother me, I think it’s a bonus actually. I did run unto a bug with it though, which stopped transfers from working. This is a big deal, so I immediately wrote to the developer and got a prompt reply asking me all the right questions. I’d also asked some other basic questions when I queried the problem with transaction, and I liked the answers I got to those too. I also like the price, definitely below average at just at $25. If they fix the bug I found promptly then this app is definitely still in the running.
- iBank – this app is big. The feature list is huge, and the price is on the high side too. It looks fantastic for people who have stocks and shares and investments and expenses and all those things I don’t have or care about. The interface looks good, and considering how much it does, the $60 price tag seems very reasonable. However, for me, it just feels like over-kill. I like simple. I haven’t completely ruled this option out, but I’d have to find a show-stopper of a flaw in both Moneydance and Squirrel before I’d consider iBank.
So, that’s where things stand at the moment. I’ve installed the demo versions of both Moneydance and Suirrel, and I’m really putting both through their paces. When I make my decision I’ll post again to let you know which app I chose, and why. And, in the mean time, if you think there’s anther alternative that I really need to look at, do please let me know in the comments section.
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Hi Bart,
Love your stuff on the typical* podcasts!
This may be a dumb question, but have you considered the offers from Intuit? In addition to Quicken 2007 they have a new program, “Quicken Essentials for Mac”.
I’m no Quicken fanboy by any means. I would prefer an open source product, but my accountant uses Intuit products, so I’m kind of roped into using something from them…
I wonder how Quicken or the new product compare to the other programs you are looking at. If you are up for giving either a try, I’d love to know what you think!
Hi Bart,
Great article, and it’s a topic that I’m very interested in myself as well. I’ve been a long time Quicken user, starting out with Windows, then I switched to the Mac version when I went Mac. (By the way, switching was UGLY – there is no direct file import between the two versions; you have to manually export all your accounts into their interchange format [QIF] and import them on the other side, and this is MESSY. When I did it I had all sorts of headaches – wrong balances, duplicate transactions, transactions that never appeared where they should have, etc. Maybe this was a sign of times to come that I should have paid attention to!)
Anyway Intuit’s Mac support is lackluster to say the least. The latest version of Mac Quicken is 2007, and it’s a PowerPC app. I’m not even sure it’s Cocoa, it might be Carbon. It “sort of” works – well, it actually does work as far as “nuts and bolts” are concerned (i.e. it calculates my balances correctly), but has some minor but REALLY ANNOYING UI quirks (can’t select certain buttons in certain dialogs, etc.)
But again, Intuit’s Mac support is lackluster to say the least, and they have drawn fire and ire from the Mac community in the past for outright abandoning one their products (QuickBooks I believe). They’ve since started supporting it again, but for many (myself included) it’s almost a case of “too little too late”. Quicken 2010 has been out for Windows for a while now… I have yet to even see a “coming soon for the Mac” type announcement from them. And even if they do come out with one, I’m not sure I want to give them my hard earned money for it, given their lackluster history.
Anyway my major hangup has been support for downloading transactions from my banks. There are two ways that banks do this, one called “direct download” (where your computer connects directly with the bank’s servers and speaks some sort of weird voodoo protocol) and one called “QIF” where basically you login to your bank’s website, click some buttons, and it packages up your recent transactions using the Quicken QIF interchange file format.
Until recently there have only been a few that support QIF downloading (Cha-Ching is one of them I believe), and none to my knowledge that support the direct download protocol. Until recently. I have been evaluating Moneywell and was delighted to find that it supports direct download from both of my banks. Unfortunately I, like you, am having a real hard time wrapping my brain around the “buckets” metaphor. I kinda-sorta get it, but not really. So I’ve been evaluating Moneywell and have been (trying to) use it, but I’m still updating my Quicken data (so yes, every time I eat out or buy a newspaper or whatnot, I’m entering data in two separate places. Very tedious.)
However after reading through your review, I found iBank, which I hadn’t heard about before for whatever reason. And when I visited their website, I was extremely pleased to find that they DO in fact support direct downloading from both of my banks, so I’ll have to give that a look.
I’m curious as to see which program you eventually decide upon.
BTW, one quick note about Mint: your concern that you don’t want your data there is (I think) a non-issue. They (the Mint people) use the same electronic clearinghouses that all banks and financial institutions use, so your data is “there” anyway. I also understand that they have some pretty heavy duty encryption, and good data compartmentalization and whatnot. And there is an iPhone app for Mint.
Hi Bart
have you tried the Money 3 app it’s here
http://www.jumsoft.com/money/
just another option
cheers
Kyle
Hi Bart
Here are some links to other finance applications:
iFinace3: http://www.synium.de/products/ifinance/index.html
iCompta: http://www.lyricapps.com/iCompta/
Money: http://www.jumsoft.com/money/
If you try them out, please let me know what you think about them.
I myself use Quicken 2010 for Windows in a VM. Mostly to keep the history of data accessible. But I just found out that there is a Quicken version for Mac available at http://quicken.intuit.com/.
Best Regards,
Jens
PS: Please keep on your good work in the podosphere:-)
Hi Bart,
Check out SplashMoney from SplashData. It is comprehensive, does transfers properly between accounts, counts correctly, allows for online transaction importing from your financial institution(s), and there is even an iPhone app that syncs without fail.
I have used SplashMoney for several years (since 2002) on Windows and Mac platforms…….happy to report that all of my data was preserved as my setup changed from PC/Treo to Mac/iPhone. Plus the SplashData support staff (specifically Justin) and online community are excellent should you have a question or feature enhancement.
Give SplashMoney a try and let me know what you think.
Hi Bart,
Whilst iBank looks complex, it can be as simple as you want it to be. I moved from MS Money 99 (which I loved) to this and it is a superb app. It is particularly easy to reconcile your statements and keep track of budgets. I don’t use it for Stocks and shares but do have a unit trust which I can keep track of.
They also have an iphone app which synchronises seamlessly over Wifi to your phone and allows you to add transactions whilst you are out and about. I have found that this has worked flawlessly with nearly 2 years of accounts! It is very easy to make backups and if there is a problem then you can go back to that backup. You can also do a fresh sync and override the iphone data.
Don’t give up on it because it is too capable for your current needs!
Update: Well, Intuit came out with Quicken Essentials for Mac. It turns out that it’s a practically new product, and they do not support all of the features that they did with Quicken 2007. Sorry, thanks but not interested.
After careful consideration I decided to go with iBank. As Kevin said above, while iBank is quite powerful and has a lot of features… but you don’t have to use all of them! And the direct download of my account data works perfectly (thankfully they have a pretty permissive demo mode – basically all features work but the program nags you every 15 minutes or so. I was able to test out the online downloading of both my Wells Fargo and Bank of America accounts, and it works beautifully. The interface, while it will take a bit of getting used to, is pretty easy to navigate, and entering transactions is a pretty smooth process. While its traditional financial model may be considered old by some, it is familiar to me, which is why I didn’t really like Moneywell. I was able to export my Quicken data as QIF, and amazingly enough, iBank didn’t botch things up too badly when importing it – I was only off by $20 in one account; easily fixed. I’m quite happy with it and I was glad to give them my $60 instead of Intuit. My only complaint so far is that it’s a bit slow to load accounts on my MacBook – most likely because of the years of historical data I have imported. I’m sure they’ll work on performance improvements in the future so I’m not too worried about it.
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